I have to disagree on the fact that dogs cant run PP and LP by the books and be judged right doing it. You yourself have judged a dog that is PP and LP champ and left him on the ground and probably even brought him back before. I myself have a dog that is a dual champ. I know you and Dennis don't like the fact that LP dogs are run in PP, but some dogs can do it and should be rewarded fairly for it, not just left unscored for susposedly "running to much rabbit". Not all LP dogs are swingers and skirters. Some can run the line with awesome speed and do it right. I've seen many times a dog doing just that leave a pack sittin, and not be scored because he is "runnin to much rabbit". Not trying to stir, just my opinion. Todd Yates